Carriage House Third Floor
The Third floor of Poundmaker’s Lodge Carriage House. The Third Floor is the Most Internally Divided Space in the Carriage House and Includes a Large Classroom. A Mural Depicting a Mountain Range Adorns the Wall on the Other Side of the Classroom and Can Be Seen in the Point Cloud. Click on the triangle to load the point cloud.
“It has always been clear to me that the Indians must have some sort of recreation, and if our agents would endeavor to substitute reasonable amusements for this senseless drumming and dancing, it would be a great assistance.” – Duncan Campbell Scott 1921, Deputy Superintendent of Indian Affairs
The third floor of the carriage house had a staff room, the coat room for students, and a teaching classroom. Today, this floor most resembles what the carriage house would have looked like when it was last in use; the staff’s quarters still feature a hand painted mural of the mountains; the classroom still has a chalkboard up with some writing from its last use visible; and the coatroom still features numbered hooks for students. When students came to the residential school, they were assigned a number which they would be referred to instead of a name. The students’ clothes from home, upon arrival, would be stuffed into a bag labelled with their number. In the playrooms of the main schoolhouse, there would also be a numbered hook for students’ coats and outside clothes to hang on when they were at the school. Many survivors today still remember the number they were assigned at their schools.
Staff stayed in this building because children lived on the top floor of the carriage house. Students attending residential schools were not given many freedoms and children were constantly supervised or kept under surveillance. Students would often be given severe punishments for any breach in what was deemed by a supervisor to be inappropriate behaviour, including staying up too late, being in the wrong place, and speaking out of turn or in their native languages.
Neglect and Food Insecurity
Staffing issues during the war years restricted farming activities at each school, resulting in food shortages that affected the children. Many students attending Blue Quills and Old Sun remarked on the disparity between the meals they received verses those served to staff. Jerry Wood from Saddle Lake First Nation explains:
“we used to walk by the priests’ dining room. You know, they had a nice white table cloth, polished silver, two candles, two bottles of wine with great food while we ate the garbage” (NCTR, Alberta National Event, Edmonton Sharing Circle, 2014).
In addition to malnutrition, issues surrounding kitchen sanitation and unsafe food preparation also placed student health at risk. The repurposing of kitchen equipment, a lack of proper refrigeration, and a failure to enforce basic standards for health and safety were all to blame.
Students often came to residential schools around the age of 5 or 6, but sometimes even younger, and not speaking any English. Yet if they misspoke and tried to communicate in their own language, they would be often by physically punished. William McLean, a survivor who attended the Edmonton IRS starting in 1933, remembers that, “and we were never allowed to speak our own language inside the school building and inside the classroom. If we were caught speaking our language in the school or in the classroom we would get a strapping for it by the teachers or supervisors.”
In extreme circumstances, the students barricaded themselves into spaces together or individually at the school to protect themselves from abuse. Mel Buffalo recounted to the Commission a time when he and other students at EIRS collectively barred the dormitory doors with full dressers to block out the abusers at night [4].
For obvious reasons, the administrative records of the Department of Indian Affairs do not explicitly detail neglect or abuse of the children in the residential school system; however, this is implicit in the way that staffing, the availability of food, punishments, and labour are discussed throughout various documents.
Food insecurity plagued students at all three schools. The excessive expense of staple items like milk was often cited by officials in the Department of Indian Affairs as necessitating the farming of adjacent lands to offset the high costs of food. Such endeavors frequently relied on student labour even though every hour tending crops and livestock represented less time in the classroom. Outside of farming, children were often conscripted for hauling ice and water, constructing outbuildings, moving furniture, as well as performing other menial tasks.
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Laser scanning data can be used to create “as built” architectural plans which can support repair and restoration work to The Edmonton Indian Residential School Carriage House. The main school building was lost to fire in 2000. This plan was created using Autodesk Revit and forms part of a larger building information model (BIM) of the school. The Revit drawings and laser scanning data for this school are securely archived with access controlled by Poundmaker’s Lodge Treatment Center.

Gary Williams- If your Kid Dies Here it’s Unnoticed
We had the basement where they, it’s almost like a recreation room where you can watch TV if you want to do. It’s sort of a rec room, or a just socializing room, but you can’t talk to one another. It’s kind of weird. You can go outside and play out in the yard, because there were supervisors standing all around you know, making sure the rules aren’t broken. And even though that was happening, we had lots of outings, outside time.
So, uh, what happened after that? On a Monday morning, they took us into our classrooms. The next floor up from the basement because they had steel stairs all the way up the fourth floor, I think, or third floor… fourth floor. The second floor was, on the boy side, was two separate units. One was both classrooms it might have been. Again, I’m on one side and my brother was on the other side and I didn’t see him. At one point, I knew, we went to school and then we sort of went away for a while, and then we came back later in the evening. That was how it was scheduled.
Anyway, so one side of the dorm, which held about, maybe 20 chairs on both sides, was 40 all together, and that was sort of the class for the younger generation, younger people. I’m quite sure that a lot of the other students that were 11 and 12, I think, they had evening classes. We went along like that for five days a week, and we, and we went on weekends we can socialize, not socialize but have an outside time. We did a lot of that, or else you can you can go and study in classrooms if you wanted to. Sort of I would say kill time I guess until dinnertime in the evening.
Again, you know same food again, and, anyway the two were, the two classrooms, I mentioned that. But the upper, the third floor is our bedroom dorms same kind of setup, lower kids on the other side. You know like the old saying goes, that you like, you hear all the time in a different uh, that you know you can’t really talk to one another or socialize with your own native tongue people. That was kept you know, if you did you would be punished, and we tried to follow the rules as good as we can so we couldn’t be punished.
So that went on for three months I guess, till Christmas time. At times I would write a letter back to home, and they would drop it into the mailbox here so that they can deliver it in town or get the post person to. There was no phones, so, like the people say, if your kid dies here, it’s unnoticed.
Even though I was here amongst all that, I could feel and sense the sacredness or private stuff, not knowing stuff that’s happening in the middle of the night because we’re younger… we wasn’t involved in that.
-Gary Williams
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Notes:
Oral interview with Gary Williams. Conducted by Peter Dawson at Poundmaker’s Lodge, St Albert, May 4, 2022. Transcribed by Erica Van Vugt and Madisen Hvidberg. University of Calgary, Jan 23, 2024.
Image: AB Archives, PR198510010110. Edmonton Indian Residential School, St. Albert, Title: [no names or description provided]. ND.

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